Its just name calling which again results in self-justification and does not really contribute to any discussion. In your second post you again make the false claim that I set Dallas against Chandler. But to me that is clear what it is. "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. I dont know enough to say anything about the worship, church structure and other ministries of the church, so I wont. David, you seem so eager to fire off your stock answers and insults that it sometimes appears that you havent properly read the comments first. Fox News Flash top headlines are here. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? [14] In 1986, he was made President of the new Master's Seminary. He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. Lets put it this way- if you are buying a $1.8 million home you aint exactly of the take no purse school of ministry! And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to. In case you missed the news, Christianity Today is reporting on a pattern of spiritual abuse on John MacArthur's Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. That would indeed be ridiculous, but it is not my position and it is therefore wrong of you to argue as though it were. A prominent elder at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) has resigned, stating in email leaked to The Roys Report that his "conscience and convictions" were not aligned with other GCC elders. Matt. Check out what's clicking on Foxnews.com. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. It was not an accusation, nor an attack. Drawn from over fifty years of intense Bible study and regular expository teaching, John MacArthur's verse-by-verse study notes, book introductions, and articles display an unwavering commitment to interpretive precisionwith the goal of making God known through His Word. What talent, what ability, what fantastic communication skills, what self-belief, what a tragedy! Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. PPS. This is way more than urging caution, as you later suggested. 38, 31-32). As it happens I was sent this video by someone who was praising it.it is more like a political rally (complete with clapping) than a Christian sermon the misuse of Scripture about borders is bad enough but the approving citation of Donald Trump Is it time to start bombing the you know what out of ISIS (that is a biblical response) was appalling. More here: https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Thanks very helpfulalthough I think that the money and the me focus are a key part of the false teaching. In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". Cho was told by MacArthur to "forget it" when he called on the elders to "do justice. If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. He teaches a completely restored Israel shall inherit physical ownership of the land of Canaan on the earth. Someone feels free to go on the internet post serious accusations and then refuse to substantiate them. David, once again you are making assertions that do not stand scrutiny. But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. [39], For example, with respect to sexual orientation, he asserted that "no one is gay" as "God didn't hardwire anybody"[40] to be gay any more than he "hardwires" individuals to be adulterers or bank robbers. The entire message was based around how God can meet all MY needs. Stephen Furtick is his own brand and it seems it is a brand that sells well and pays well. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. Find a Church . I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. "[26] He has a complementarian view on gender roles and considers that the Bible forbids women to preach to men or to exercise authority over men in churches, and he believes that the Biblical roles of elder and pastor are restricted to men. I challenged that because I regard these as serious charges and not to made lightly against a Christian brother. You accuse them of ad hominem remarks while making ad hominem remarks about them: you accuse them of defamation but feel at liberty to defame them. It is wonderful stuff Matt and Tim Keller are two mega church US pastors who I listen to every week! On February 9, 1969, he was hired as the third and youngest pastor at the nondenominational Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California. David, you try very hard to always get the last word and I knew that the question you asked was loaded. | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. John MacArthur is wrong about so much more than keeping women in abusive marriages. . If your love is put off by answers you dont like, then like the BeeJees I need to ask how deep is your love?! No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. So Mike Riccardi is going to be answering the call," a Grace Community Church elder announced on Sunday, according to Christian website Protestia. More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. Chandler, a Reformed evangelical pastor, spoke as a guest speaker at Elevation last Friday, the third night of the Code Orange Revival. Doubtless it was intended as a joke but I dont think taking a salary of millions more than is necessary to live, work and provide for ones family, is a joke especially when there are hungry children, and many hungry for the Word, who do not receive it because of lack of money. But I find it astonishing that you cite it here in a massive church (and smaller churches) there are bound to be people who are sex abusers and the church will not always handle that well. You call them out or call them to repentance but see no need to repent yourself. I've carried one of these of an NAS with the New Testament, Psalms, and Proverbs with me for years and years, so that's why I wanted this to be the first one. I have not misrepresented what you said. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. I was not picking on one church: you offered Matt Chandler as an example of how mega churches get it right and I was replying to that by urging caution. Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. Your other comments were directly applied to the Megachurch movement I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Again I am glad that you were not criticising the whole mega church movement (although I am sure you will understand why your initial post can be read that way).which megachurches are you happy with? So it wasnt all bad. [52], Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Theology and Ministry: An Interview with John MacArthur", "1998 Gold Medallion Book Awards Winners", "Voice of Calvary Legacy - The Legacy - Page 3", "When should a Christian fight for his country? "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. This British website sets out clearly the Biblical gospel, compared to the ME gospel, in the context of evangelism. Really? The Good Contrary to expectations I am not one of those Calvinist ministers who automatically discounts any church which grows beyond a couple of hundred, as being a mega fake, doctrinally incorrect, pseudo church. So I was pleased to see the topic addressed here, particularly as there is another story breaking about Mr Furtick in North Carolina even as I write this. Just to settle this bit of your disagreement: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, Wonderful thanksnow I can read it on my KindleI have no idea why that did not show on my Amazon page. or redistributed. He's got a long history as a respected evangelical theologian and preacher, but has made headlines more often in recent months for illegally flouting COVID-19 . For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. There is no legalism or self-righteous pride in anything I said. G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. This submission to Jesus as Lord when converting to faith in Jesus Christ became known to Arminians as the Lordship salvation controversy in the 1980s. Elevation Church were accused of getting 'volunteers' to come forward during the 'spontaneous' baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. Tim Keller as an anti-Christian preacher is nonsense.it is the kind of irrational ranting legalism that I was mentioning at the beginning.very very sad that you endorse it! My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. They do things right. Im not sure that things work in quite the same way in the US. There's some really helpful information in there. Were deeply grateful for that. I will reply to them briefly. On top of that, MacArthur also took a salary from Grace Community Church that was "well within the upper-medium range" for California church employees, according to Johnson's 2014 statement. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. And they aint all wrong. Our statement: pic.twitter.com/Rin5W7eA8x, Jenna Ellis (@JennaEllisEsq) August 31, 2021. [41] MacArthur compared the assertion that sexual orientation is a born trait to a hypothetical bank robber's protestation, "I keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. In 1960, after a year off, he was accepted to the Free Methodist Churchs Los Angeles Pacific College, where in his senior year he observed two games of football, going on field once for one play (see 1962 yearbook statistics). If we believe that the message in our books is from God, and we feel it so strongly, then we dont really need to promote it, do we? I love the gospel, and I love the Lords people from whatever background, and I want to see Christ glorified throughout the world. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. Im afraid that you are talking about something you do not really know about and picking on one particular church why? Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. This is a really long post that deals almost exclusively, unfortunately, with secondary issues (church size, communications gifts, me focus, salary, wealth, size of house, and more) and thereby obscures the central and clarifying point of Furticks ministry. For the first time, John MacArthur publicly admitted Sunday that COVID-19 infections spread through his Southern California congregation last winter, noting he and his wife fell ill to the virus in December. I dont do stock answers. Uh, John MacArthur Is Urging His Church to Stop Supporting Religious Freedom . But cant we all recognize how difficult we find that? I simply stated that the book on my Amazon feed was priced at 30 and I was not going to pay that. Despite the considerable influence that they all had, they chose instead to publically endorse him. Its not that difficult to grow large congregations which teach heresy if you think size is an indication of faithfulness then why are you not a Muslim, a Mormon or a Moonie?! Its mainly a forlorn appeal but can we say to the mega churches please stop it! Why is that disgraceful and totally unwarranted? And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? However, I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. But if the theology and ecclesiology is off, then alarm bells start ringing. And also trying to get to know what God says in His Word and please stop shouting at those you know nothing about. Furtick though is unapologetic..he boasted in a sermon all the proceeds go to feed hungry children..mine!. I have no idea if you are particularly legalistic or not but the type of comments you were making, most certainly are. Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. They are usually absorbed in religion for self-centered reasons. He is a ministry collaborator with . 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